Uploading an AICC sample lesson in version 1.8.8.4

[sparramore]

I downloaded the sample courses from the AICC website and I'm trying to get them uploaded on to my Chamilo server( 1.8.8.4 ). I try to upload the .zip file along with every file in side the .zip individually( .AU .CRS .DES .CST ). When this happens I get the following error "The package you are trying to upload has an unknown format. Please check it uses one of the supported formats."

I don't think it has anything to do with the upload limit seeing as the files are about 1kb each.

Is there anything I could be doing wrong as per the contents of the file that Chamilo is choking on?

link to the AICC sample .zip http://www.aicc.org/pages/sample_crs_flash.zip
link to the page containing the aicc samples http://www.aicc.org/joomla/dev/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=51&Itemid=27

[adeschenes]

Hi,

Two questions,
1 - Are-you sure that sample is working well?
2- Is-it a Scorm package ?

Best regards,

Alain

[sparramore]

1) I honestly don't know, is what they provide to you compliant to the standard the AICC board sets? Yes, as far as I can tell.. is it what Chamilo needs to load courses properly? I don't know, using firebug and chrome I can see that upload.js is getting called. The error I'm given is very generic and I haven't yet taken the time to find where it's getting thrown, so I haven't figured out where it's going wrong.

2) No, it's not a Scorm course. This entire time I've been under the impression that Chamilo is both AICC and SCORM compliant, but when going through the code the aicc.class includes comments and variables that mention or are related to SCORM stuff. I figured them both inheriting from LearningPath might have something to do with it, but I have yet to investigate that.

to further clarify, the file I'm using from the AICC board is as follows

sample_crs.zip
{
course.AU
course.CRS
course.CST
course.DES
}

Thanks

*Edit* aiccItem doesn't inherit from LearningPath, aicc.class does.

[Coursenligne]

Go edit
Chamilo is 100% AICC and SCORM 1.2 compliant, 2004 is supported but there's a limitation, you may not use 2004.3.

Saying this doesn't much help and I know this....

I noticed that the example states flash.
Can't it be related to it?

There are several free authoring tools that are AICC capable, what I would recommand here is you try to compose a couple of pages using text and images, save it as AICC package and try to upload it.

I made (not recently) a test and had no issue at all.
I don't have much time to give a go to your sample, but I may get a go one day just to ensure.

Regarding theupload size, you may want to read in this forum some postts related, this is good to know (and can save hours of "troubleshooting" )

Note that the flash revision can be a clue of error......

[sparramore]

Does anyone know if Chamilo expects certain information to be stored into the AICC files? I'm now using the Articulate suite and creating a basic course and outputting it in the AICC format. It seems to create a lot more information than what I'm still under the impression is the only things you need to make an AICC compliant course( .au, .crs, .cst, .des )

The reason I ask is again, the error is so generic. It's saying it doesn't recognize the format of the file. I would think that if Chamilo is processing the .zip file and is having issues with individual files inside of the .zip file I'm uploading that it would issue error messages related to whatever files it was choking on.

"The package you are trying to upload has an unknown format. Please check it uses one of the supported formats."

I'm currently in the process of testing out of the content I generating using Articulate while trying to use http://archive.aicc.org/pages/aicc_ts.htm but that might take a bit since it seems completing the license agreement to download the test suite seems to be down.

If anyone knows or can suggest a course creation tool they feel is superior or they just like more please feel free to let me know, I'm only using Articulate because their community seems to be very active. Which hopefully will help me in my search to get a AICC course working with Chamilo.

Thank you all so much for your quick replies and helpful information.

[Coursenligne]

I've had some troubles with import, as, depending on the way the authoring tool is working, or it saves a LP (where you try to upload right now if I followed you), or it creates a course....
What I saw so far is I create a course (basically just typing in a name and sometimes a course code).
I then go to maintenance and try to import the created content.
If it's working it's then the authoring tool created a complete course, otherwise, I go to Learning Path and try to import from here.

Note that if your configuration file is not set as it should, you may :
- Get an error, but not the course
- Don't get anything, the platform thinks for a while and then allows you to go to the summary of... an empty course/LP.

For authoring tools I don't really want to give you a list, as I so far occur a difficulty:
The trainee follows the course, but the completion rate stays at 0%, untill the trainee completed the course. And another issue is that if the trainee stops at a point, comes back, He then have to restart from scratch (the course restarts from beginning).

Note, using the integrated authoring tool doesn't create such issues I can't get rid off so far....
I therefore don't blame the platform, but more likely think there is somehow a structure the platform doesn't see.
Last but not least, if you create a course from authoring tool, you can't edit it from the internal authoring tool as it is seen as a single ressource rather than multiple pages.

Just to answer:
Courselab 2.4 (free but old)
MOS Solo
eXe
Xerte
Microsoft LCDS
are example of free authoring tools

[sparramore]

What I saw so far is I create a course (basically just typing in a name and sometimes a course code).
I then go to maintenance and try to import the created content.

I'm confused with what you mean by maintenance, could you be talking about import courses list from the administration tab which is under the courses section? Perhaps you could be referring to another version of Chamilo? I'm using 1.8.8.4 currently.

But getting to the issue I've experienced. So far I've tried the following course creation tools/examples:
aicc sample lesson: http://archive.aicc.org/pages/aicc_sl.htm
Aritculate Storlyine: http://www.articulate.com/products/storyline-overview.php
Courselab 2.7: http://www.courselab.com/

I've used the following versions of Chamilo: 1.8.8.4 and 1.8.8.6 found at http://chamilo.beeznest.com/

In these examples ( besides the aicc sample lesson ) I've created some text a picture or two and 1 or two pages and then saved them out using the defaults for the AICC format they produce.

Please note that I saved the Articulate examples out as Scorm 1.2 and they loaded on both 1.8.8.4 and 1.8.8.6. I can try that out using Courselab 2.7 if you wish and also try Courselab 2.4 (like you suggested) if you think that might help.

Also, if anyone wants me to provide the examples I've used for their own testing, I'd be happy to e-mail them to you. Just PM me.

Does anyone think that the issues I've been having might be related to the following issues?

http://support.chamilo.org/issues/4130
http://support.chamilo.org/issues/4133

Thanks again!

[Coursenligne]

This time, you confused me.

To import content you ahev "2 ways" but they are not really similar.

From scratch :
Create a course (so go to admin => add course) and give it a name and that's all
Go to My courses tab and cilck on the course (as admin), then go right to the bottom of the page. You may see "maintenance"; this is to import course.

If you have a message telling you there is nothing to import, then go to learning path of your course, and from here click on the import icon (blue book with an arrow facing up) and this time your learning path may be imported...

[sparramore]

Ok I finally understand where you are talking about. In the version I'm using Chamilo 1.8.8.4 this link is called backup

As you can see here I have moused over the backup link and it takes me to the maintenance.php which is what I think you are referring to. This does allow me to upload or backup a course and I tried uploading a course I've made in the AICC format (.au, .crs, .cst, .des) and this does not work. It is telling me there are no resources in the backup file. But that's not the point. Unless this backup upload function allows me to upload an AICC formatted course then I don't care about it.

I'm simply trying to upload an AICC formatted course and I'm guessing the learning path is the way I should be able to do that, but I'm getting an error about the format of the file. I definitely think there is something wrong with the way the version of Chamilo I'm using(and possibly 1.8.8.6) is uploading AICC files. As I said before I changed the test to a SCORM 1.2 format and it uploaded just fine, but my job is requiring AICC formatted files. I've also set up Moodle and the AICC formatted files uploaded with no issue. keep in mind this SCORM files were only made through Articulate Storyteller and I have yet to try the only other course creator I've been able to save out AICC formatted files into (CourseLab). But honestly it shouldn't matter.

Either way, if anyone has any suggestions they'd be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

[Coursenligne]

Hi Sorry, this is what happen when you're using different languages platform....

I honnestly didn't used much AICC, I did only once unsing an old free version of courselab, that's why I mentinned it...
I didn't have any error as far as I remember...

But, as this doesn't sound like a solution, note that 1.8.8.6 = 1.8.8.4 + some security fixes, so this wouldn't change anything about course content.

What I would suggest is, as now there's a stable version available, just give a try on a 1.9 revision, just in case this could be related.

I would take a moment to give a go using the links you gave, but I don't have much time to do so right now....

[sparramore]

I downloaded the sample courses from the AICC website and I'm trying to get them uploaded on to my Chamilo server( 1.8.8.4 ). I try to upload the .zip file along with every file in side the .zip individually( .AU .CRS .DES .CST ). When this happens I get the following error "The package you are trying to upload has an unknown format. Please check it uses one of the supported formats."

I don't think it has anything to do with the upload limit seeing as the files are about 1kb each.

Is there anything I could be doing wrong as per the contents of the file that Chamilo is choking on?

link to the AICC sample .zip http://www.aicc.org/pages/sample_crs_flash.zip
link to the page containing the aicc samples http://www.aicc.org/joomla/dev/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=51&Itemid=27

[adeschenes]

Hi,

Two questions,
1 - Are-you sure that sample is working well?
2- Is-it a Scorm package ?

Best regards,

Alain

[sparramore]

1) I honestly don't know, is what they provide to you compliant to the standard the AICC board sets? Yes, as far as I can tell.. is it what Chamilo needs to load courses properly? I don't know, using firebug and chrome I can see that upload.js is getting called. The error I'm given is very generic and I haven't yet taken the time to find where it's getting thrown, so I haven't figured out where it's going wrong.

2) No, it's not a Scorm course. This entire time I've been under the impression that Chamilo is both AICC and SCORM compliant, but when going through the code the aicc.class includes comments and variables that mention or are related to SCORM stuff. I figured them both inheriting from LearningPath might have something to do with it, but I have yet to investigate that.

to further clarify, the file I'm using from the AICC board is as follows

sample_crs.zip
{
course.AU
course.CRS
course.CST
course.DES
}

Thanks

*Edit* aiccItem doesn't inherit from LearningPath, aicc.class does.

[Coursenligne]

Go edit
Chamilo is 100% AICC and SCORM 1.2 compliant, 2004 is supported but there's a limitation, you may not use 2004.3.

Saying this doesn't much help and I know this....

I noticed that the example states flash.
Can't it be related to it?

There are several free authoring tools that are AICC capable, what I would recommand here is you try to compose a couple of pages using text and images, save it as AICC package and try to upload it.

I made (not recently) a test and had no issue at all.
I don't have much time to give a go to your sample, but I may get a go one day just to ensure.

Regarding theupload size, you may want to read in this forum some postts related, this is good to know (and can save hours of "troubleshooting" )

Note that the flash revision can be a clue of error......

[sparramore]

Does anyone know if Chamilo expects certain information to be stored into the AICC files? I'm now using the Articulate suite and creating a basic course and outputting it in the AICC format. It seems to create a lot more information than what I'm still under the impression is the only things you need to make an AICC compliant course( .au, .crs, .cst, .des )

The reason I ask is again, the error is so generic. It's saying it doesn't recognize the format of the file. I would think that if Chamilo is processing the .zip file and is having issues with individual files inside of the .zip file I'm uploading that it would issue error messages related to whatever files it was choking on.

"The package you are trying to upload has an unknown format. Please check it uses one of the supported formats."

I'm currently in the process of testing out of the content I generating using Articulate while trying to use http://archive.aicc.org/pages/aicc_ts.htm but that might take a bit since it seems completing the license agreement to download the test suite seems to be down.

If anyone knows or can suggest a course creation tool they feel is superior or they just like more please feel free to let me know, I'm only using Articulate because their community seems to be very active. Which hopefully will help me in my search to get a AICC course working with Chamilo.

Thank you all so much for your quick replies and helpful information.

[Coursenligne]

I've had some troubles with import, as, depending on the way the authoring tool is working, or it saves a LP (where you try to upload right now if I followed you), or it creates a course....
What I saw so far is I create a course (basically just typing in a name and sometimes a course code).
I then go to maintenance and try to import the created content.
If it's working it's then the authoring tool created a complete course, otherwise, I go to Learning Path and try to import from here.

Note that if your configuration file is not set as it should, you may :
- Get an error, but not the course
- Don't get anything, the platform thinks for a while and then allows you to go to the summary of... an empty course/LP.

For authoring tools I don't really want to give you a list, as I so far occur a difficulty:
The trainee follows the course, but the completion rate stays at 0%, untill the trainee completed the course. And another issue is that if the trainee stops at a point, comes back, He then have to restart from scratch (the course restarts from beginning).

Note, using the integrated authoring tool doesn't create such issues I can't get rid off so far....
I therefore don't blame the platform, but more likely think there is somehow a structure the platform doesn't see.
Last but not least, if you create a course from authoring tool, you can't edit it from the internal authoring tool as it is seen as a single ressource rather than multiple pages.

Just to answer:
Courselab 2.4 (free but old)
MOS Solo
eXe
Xerte
Microsoft LCDS
are example of free authoring tools

[sparramore]

What I saw so far is I create a course (basically just typing in a name and sometimes a course code).
I then go to maintenance and try to import the created content.

I'm confused with what you mean by maintenance, could you be talking about import courses list from the administration tab which is under the courses section? Perhaps you could be referring to another version of Chamilo? I'm using 1.8.8.4 currently.

But getting to the issue I've experienced. So far I've tried the following course creation tools/examples:
aicc sample lesson: http://archive.aicc.org/pages/aicc_sl.htm
Aritculate Storlyine: http://www.articulate.com/products/storyline-overview.php
Courselab 2.7: http://www.courselab.com/

I've used the following versions of Chamilo: 1.8.8.4 and 1.8.8.6 found at http://chamilo.beeznest.com/

In these examples ( besides the aicc sample lesson ) I've created some text a picture or two and 1 or two pages and then saved them out using the defaults for the AICC format they produce.

Please note that I saved the Articulate examples out as Scorm 1.2 and they loaded on both 1.8.8.4 and 1.8.8.6. I can try that out using Courselab 2.7 if you wish and also try Courselab 2.4 (like you suggested) if you think that might help.

Also, if anyone wants me to provide the examples I've used for their own testing, I'd be happy to e-mail them to you. Just PM me.

Does anyone think that the issues I've been having might be related to the following issues?

http://support.chamilo.org/issues/4130
http://support.chamilo.org/issues/4133

Thanks again!

[Coursenligne]

This time, you confused me.

To import content you ahev "2 ways" but they are not really similar.

From scratch :
Create a course (so go to admin => add course) and give it a name and that's all
Go to My courses tab and cilck on the course (as admin), then go right to the bottom of the page. You may see "maintenance"; this is to import course.

If you have a message telling you there is nothing to import, then go to learning path of your course, and from here click on the import icon (blue book with an arrow facing up) and this time your learning path may be imported...

[sparramore]

Ok I finally understand where you are talking about. In the version I'm using Chamilo 1.8.8.4 this link is called backup

As you can see here I have moused over the backup link and it takes me to the maintenance.php which is what I think you are referring to. This does allow me to upload or backup a course and I tried uploading a course I've made in the AICC format (.au, .crs, .cst, .des) and this does not work. It is telling me there are no resources in the backup file. But that's not the point. Unless this backup upload function allows me to upload an AICC formatted course then I don't care about it.

I'm simply trying to upload an AICC formatted course and I'm guessing the learning path is the way I should be able to do that, but I'm getting an error about the format of the file. I definitely think there is something wrong with the way the version of Chamilo I'm using(and possibly 1.8.8.6) is uploading AICC files. As I said before I changed the test to a SCORM 1.2 format and it uploaded just fine, but my job is requiring AICC formatted files. I've also set up Moodle and the AICC formatted files uploaded with no issue. keep in mind this SCORM files were only made through Articulate Storyteller and I have yet to try the only other course creator I've been able to save out AICC formatted files into (CourseLab). But honestly it shouldn't matter.

Either way, if anyone has any suggestions they'd be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

[Coursenligne]

Hi Sorry, this is what happen when you're using different languages platform....

I honnestly didn't used much AICC, I did only once unsing an old free version of courselab, that's why I mentinned it...
I didn't have any error as far as I remember...

But, as this doesn't sound like a solution, note that 1.8.8.6 = 1.8.8.4 + some security fixes, so this wouldn't change anything about course content.

What I would suggest is, as now there's a stable version available, just give a try on a 1.9 revision, just in case this could be related.

I would take a moment to give a go using the links you gave, but I don't have much time to do so right now....